4 Chats, 5 Insights
What's emerging from The Alive Conversations
The Alive Institute exists to explore a question that matters more now than ever:
What does it mean to stay fully human in an increasingly abstract world?
As AI becomes embedded in nearly everything we do, that question becomes urgent. Not “how to use AI better” or “which tools to adopt.” The deeper question: What makes us feel truly alive? And how do we cultivate that as the ground shifts beneath our feet?
The Alive Conversations is our way of exploring this in real time - sitting down with researchers, practitioners, educators, and leaders who are grappling with these questions from different angles.
These first four conversations revealed something unexpected. Despite coming from completely different domains - psychology, AI training, cognitive science, learning and development - these guests kept circling back to similar truths.
Here’s what’s emerging.
The First Four Guests
These are the people who kicked off The Alive Conversations. Each brought a different lens to the same question:
Hile Rutledge - Organization development consultant with 25+ years helping people find their authentic truth through tools like Myers-Briggs and emotional intelligence assessments.
Steffi Kieffer - AI readiness trainer who runs workshops combining AI skills with nature immersion (breath work, ice bathing, trail running) in Munich. Host of the Insanely Human podcast.
Nick Kabrel - Doctoral researcher at University of Zurich studying cognitive maps and how people actually experience GenAI in the workplace.
Brittany Aubin - Learning and development expert with journalism background, focused on how digital technologies are literally changing our brains.
Five Things That Keep Showing Up
During these first four conversations, certain themes keep surfacing. Not identical takes - but complementary perspectives on the same underlying truth.
1st Insight. AI is forcing us to become MORE human, not less
This one is surprising at first but makes complete sense upon reflection. It is also very promising and inspiring, fingers crossed that this is how it plays out.
In most conversations I brought up MIT’s Sloan business school’s research showing that the economy is already shifting towards “uniquely human capabilities”, they term these capabilities EPOCH:
Empathy/emotional intelligence
Presence (specifically in developing human connection)
Opinion (especially regarding moral and nuanced decision making)
Creativity (and curiosity)
Hope (and the ability to inspire, and paint visions of what’s possible)
Hile, who admits he avoids AI “like taking medicine,” put it starkly: “AI doesn’t have any core truth. AI just wants to steal from everything that’s out there and give me what I think I want. And that’s what I’ve been trying to convince my clients not to do for the last 25 years.”
Nick saw the flip side: “I feel that the world adjusted to my skills a bit more. It’s a more suitable place for what I can bring to this world.” The shift toward human skills favors people who’ve been working on the subjective, relational side all along.
2nd Insight. Easy isn’t always good
Brittany told me about trying to remember an Excel formula while using ChatGPT. The AI made it so frictionless that even after using the formula five times, she still couldn’t remember it. “Not everything that is easy is good,” she said.
Steffi echoed this through a different lens: ice swimming. “It’s uncomfortable every single day, but the reward is great.” Learning to be comfortable with discomfort is becoming the meta-skill.
3rd Insight. You can’t do this alone
Every single conversation came back to connection.
Steffi: “Never prompt alone” - her workshops emphasize collaborative learning over isolated AI use.
Nick: When studying workplace AI adoption, he found people felt MORE competent with AI, not less, because of that “second pair of eyes.” But the real growth came from talking to people with different perspectives.
Hile: His “four burner model” (work, family, self, friends) highlighted how modern life forces us to turn burners down - and male friendship in particular is suffering.
Brittany: “It would be amazing if some of the work we’re freeing up by not having to memorize Excel formulas can be focused on helping us all to be better at being human.”
4th Insight. Resistance might be wisdom (or a tiger)
Here’s what struck me most: Hile’s reluctance to embrace AI isn’t technophobia - it’s integrity.
He’s spent his career helping people find their authentic truth, not perform for others. AI’s fundamental purpose - to pattern-match and give you what you want - directly contradicts that mission.
Meanwhile, Steffi would say that resistance is often a “tiger response” - your brain seeing AI as an existential threat. Both might be right.
5th Insight. We’re dancing in the fog
Steffi had a metaphor that captures this moment perfectly: “It all looks very foggy to me. I’ve become friends with the fog... We’re not waiting by the sidelines for the fog to clear. It’s not going to happen anytime soon.” - we named the episode Learning to Dance in the Fog.
Nick talks about expanding mental maps into unknown territory. Brittany admits “we don’t fully know yet” what students need. Hile sees people struggling to turn burners back on that they’ve left off too long.
Nobody knows where this is going. The human move is to stay present and adapt. Dance in the fog, as Steffi would encourage us to do.
What’s Emerging
Four conversations. Four very different people. And yet they’re all circling the same truth:
AI isn’t the enemy of humanity. It’s the mirror that reveals what we’ve already lost - and the catalyst for reclaiming it.
The skills we need aren’t new. They’re old. Really old:
Asking good questions (Brittany’s journalism training)
Connecting authentically with others (Hile’s life’s work)
Staying flexible and questioning your assumptions (Nick’s cognitive maps)
Creating rather than consuming (Steffi’s workshops)
Embracing productive struggle (all four)
We didn’t need AI to know these things mattered. We needed AI to make us feel how much we’d let them atrophy.
Where This Goes Next
These are just the first four conversations. Already, a pattern is emerging - but patterns need more data points to become clear.
The work of The Alive Institute is about more than understanding AI’s impact. It’s about reclaiming what makes us feel fully human in a world that’s increasingly abstract and disconnected from embodied experience. The Alive Conversations is one way we’re doing that - creating space for the people living in this tension to share what they’re learning.
Brittany reminded me: “Throughout the arc of human history, our trajectory has always been upward.”
Nick found that people using AI feel MORE competent, not less.
Steffi sees curious improvers everywhere, ready to experiment.
Hile knows people can show up Thursday doing something they weren’t doing Wednesday.
The question isn’t whether humans can adapt. We will.
The question is: Will we use this moment to become more fully human, or will we just become more efficient machines?
The answer won’t come from any one perspective. It’s emerging from the conversation itself.
And we’re just getting started.
-James
Working with The Alive Institute: I help individuals and organizations restore cognitive flexibility through workshops, training programs, and assessments grounded in peer-reviewed research.
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Note on AI collaboration: The Alive Letter explores how humans can stay fully human while learning to work with modern technology. In that same spirit, I collaborate with AI in the creation of these articles. As an industrial/organizational psychologist who studies human-AI collaboration, I carefully guide, refine, and evaluate AI outputs. At its best, this partnership helps me more clearly and authentically communicate my own thoughts and perspectives than I am able to alone.